WEBVTT 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:02.759 good evening and welcome to our special 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:04.719 council meeting I'm Mayor Liz Pattison 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:06.839 and it's a pleasure to welcome you here 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:09.119 tonight the purpose of this special 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:11.160 meeting is to consider the following two 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:13.439 items the application for approval of an 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:15.160 amendment for the development plan for 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:20.879 the Briody Estate West Torquay 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:25.399 PG20/13 and vcat appeal planning permit 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:27.920 21/333 amended plans for Retirement 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.800 Village in Cypress Lane Torquay this meeting 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:32.640 is also being live streamed so a big 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:34.640 welcome to those tuning in online and of 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.280 course welcome to my fellow counselor 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.280 counselors who are here in with us 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:41.399 tonight in the chamber and also to my 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:42.920 fellow councelor councelor Wellington 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.560 who's joining us online live captioning 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:47.280 will accompany the live streaming of 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:49.000 this meeting and we hope this assists 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:51.200 those who have hearing difficulties the 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.640 Surf Coast local government area ban the 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.000 traditional lands of the Wadawurrung people and 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.280 the Gulidjan and Gadubanud people of the Eastern 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:00.600 Maar nation the main Council 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.640 offices in Torquay are on Wadawurrung country the 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:05.519 Wudawurrung people have nurtured and protected 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:07.239 these lands and waterways for thousands 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:09.280 of generations and I'm so grateful that 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.519 we can be here today living and working 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:13.719 in such a beautiful part of the world 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:15.560 Surf Coast Shire Council is committed to 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:17.640 walking with traditional owners of these 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:19.760 lands on a journey of genuine 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:21.239 reconciliation I would like to 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.079 acknowledge that here in Torquay at the main 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:25.000 Council offices we are gathered on Wadawurrung 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.000 country and I pay my respects to Elders 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.799 past present and emerging 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:34.519 our agenda for tonight let's get 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:37.799 that underway so the process 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:39.400 Council meetings operate according to 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:40.959 our adopted governance rules which 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.879 include the following procedures during 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.799 the meeting the Mover of a motion or an 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:46.719 amendment may speak for a maximum of 5 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.760 minutes to open the debate and then a 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.560 further 2 minutes to make a closing 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:52.840 statement any other counselor including 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:54.519 the seconder may speak to a motion for 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:56.719 no more than 3 minutes I ask that 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:58.159 members of the gallery avoid using 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.560 mobile phones during the meeting as this 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.239 can be distracting for counselors as 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.599 well as other members of the gallery I 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:06.079 also note that any unauthorized 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.560 recording of the meeting is prohibited 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:09.479 under our governance rules however you 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.800 can access a copy of the meeting when 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:15.039 it's posted online after the meeting 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.439 Madam Mayor if I may just say that I 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.840 took a photo of the gallery and I forgot 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.360 that I was prohibited to do so and I 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:27.080 will delete that photo thanks I 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.240 apologize okay thank you I'd now like 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.199 to recite the pledge of our sign of 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.280 commitment as counselors we carry out 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.599 our responsibilities with diligence and 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.319 integrity and make fair decisions of 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.039 lasting value for the well-being of our 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:42.800 community and 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.120 environment apologies I don't think we 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.719 have any apologies for tonight's council 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.800 meeting declaration of conflicts of 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.080 interests if a counselor or an officer 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:58.479 has a conflict of interest they must 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.520 declare it now and do so again just 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:02.800 prior to the item being discussed the 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.520 council officer will be request to leave 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.280 the chambers during that time that 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:08.919 it's being considered are there any 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:10.879 declarations of a conflict of interest 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:13.439 in relation to tonight's agenda 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.439 items 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.560 no the next item is our public question 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.159 time so members of the public who wish 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.039 to ask a question to council are able to 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.080 submit their written questions in 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:25.879 accordance with our governance rules and 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:27.240 we have three community members 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.240 submitting questions so we have a total 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.759 of five questions to go through 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.599 tonight so Karen Dawson are you here read 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:37.800 your question would you like to come up 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.639 and sorry it's quite a long way away so 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:41.000 if you sit at the microphone that would 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:44.319 be appreciated thanks I can make that 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.520 distance I'm not old enough for a time 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.199 at I mean from us and then everyone 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.360 online can do it as well thank you 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.039 for the opportunity to speak to you and 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.319 to ask these questions of you my 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.159 questions relate to the proposed high 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.000 density Lifestyle Village at Cypress 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.240 Lane my question one 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.759 is Council should fully understand the 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.360 findings from the royal commission into 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:06.599 Age Care and what the federal 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:08.319 government's definition of Ageing in 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.080 Place really means Ageing in Place means 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:12.879 that as people get older they can remain 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:14.599 living in their own home rather than 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.319 entering residential facilities Ageing in 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.079 Place requires a degree of Independent 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.920 Living ability for the older person with 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:23.519 both adequate levels of mental and 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.759 physical ability but gives them control 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:27.199 over their living space and how they 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:29.839 live as well as an ongoing connection to 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.360 the community they are used to connected 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.199 to the precious memories that they have 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.680 in their homes Recent 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.279 research reveals that between 78 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.759 and 1% of all older Australians aged 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:48.079 over 55 depending on an age cohort 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.480 want to live in their own homes as they 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.040 age an earlier Australia wide survey of 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.040 older Australians revealed a host of 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.079 reasons why older Australians wanted to 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.639 age in place including suitability of 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.319 the dwelling proximity to family friends 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.240 shopping transport and Health Services 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.000 and because of familiarity with the 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:08.399 local community and neighborhood please 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:10.959 explain how an inappropriate high 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.240 density development on low density zone 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.680 land meets this 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.160 need that's my first question great 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.639 thank you for that given that we're 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.279 making a decision on this matter tonight 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.040 I will refer these questions through 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.879 our CEO to Mr Pike our general manager 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.279 placemaking and environment thanks 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:32.720 mayor and through you and thanks for the 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.439 question Karen and something that 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:37.839 might be helpful in response to your 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.360 second question too is just to for 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.800 for clarity I think what's important 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:44.600 to note tonight is that the decision 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.240 being made by Council doesn't 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:49.800 reconsider its position on the the 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:52.120 use of the land from the 22nd of August 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.040 council meeting but is considering 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.360 its position on the changes to the plans 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.879 that have been put forward since that 00:05:59.959 --> 00:06:02.439 original decision and as I think it's 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:03.720 important for people to be aware that 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.040 vcat is meeting later this month to 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.399 to hear this matter and at this point 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.519 we'll ultimately make that determination 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:13.959 on the 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:18.319 application and so your back to your 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:23.000 question of of Ageing in Place so I 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:24.480 guess the question of need was 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.360 considered in the August Council report 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:29.519 that I just referenced and whilst ageing in 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.120 place wasn't specifically referenced 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.040 that concept can be applied to this site 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.399 excuse me but the mayor referenced it 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:40.720 in her address to the community at the 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:45.519 vote yeah but sorry the council report 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.560 the so Ageing in place as I understand 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.439 it's defined by the Victorian government 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.279 much you so about staying independent 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.480 in the familiar places where we live 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:58.240 those connections that you outlined to 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.680 local neighbourhoods and community 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.160 and the state government's aging well 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.480 action plan does include a range of 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:07.279 initiatives to support older Victorians 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:09.199 and that does include appropriate 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:10.879 housing in the right locations at the 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:15.839 right time and so my 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:17.639 consideration of your question would be 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.480 that the Retirement Village does allow 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.360 people to remain independent in housing 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.000 that suits their needs that are stages in 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.560 their life and in addition retirement 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.519 villages do add to the diversity of 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.600 housing options and and housing choice 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.519 that's available to people locally 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:36.720 that would be your opinion would you 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.600 like to read a second question Karen yes 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.800 I would has Council made an effort to 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:44.839 understand the last and most current 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.879 census figures for to and why this 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.920 development is inappropriate for to all 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.439 the retirement villages in the Surf 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.519 Coast are in to and there is a younger 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.319 demographic in Torquay National Data 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.519 indicates that the average age entry to 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.319 retirement villages is 75 and this will 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:04.680 be the fifth Retirement Village for Torquay 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:06.759 this is not needed or supported by the 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:09.199 data Council must know the reasons for 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:10.800 building this development in Cypress 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.519 Lane in a low density zone is a fury the 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.600 zoning was put in place for a reason and 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:17.600 this proposed high density lifestyle 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.160 village doesn't pass the pub test so 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.480 have you really taken account of the 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.560 data in the 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:28.120 census once again I'll pass this to our 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:32.320 general manager so the assessment 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:33.759 that was put forward to the council in 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.279 the council report in August 23 did use 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.639 the latest Census Data of ? so may I 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.080 ask who put that report forward so 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.960 that's an officer report right thank you 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.559 with respect to the and so it 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:49.159 did consider the latest census data and 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.480 that would be 2021 Census Data with 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:54.679 respect to the needs of the Torquay population 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.519 as well as the market assessment 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:00.759 submitted by the applicant 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:04.080 if you just allow Chris Park to finish 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:05.799 responding to your question please to 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.720 summarize the findings of that data the 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.279 assessment concluded that the Ageing 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:10.960 population creates an increased demand 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.559 for housing including retirement 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.679 villages and an assessment of the use 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.159 against the provisions of that low 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.519 density zone was also carried out in 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.120 that report I think it's probably 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.039 important to note though that there's 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:28.080 a prejudice or a bias when the 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.399 proponent of a potential 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.559 development provide you with the market 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.200 data that says this is going to be a 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.600 good thing and this is needed you know 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.840 my reading of the census doesn't 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:42.159 stack up to what you're reporting and he 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.679 has commercial reason presenting your 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.360 question and as we said tonight we the 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.519 decision is around the plans not whether 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.279 the the development is happening or not 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.960 that will be contested at vcat so we 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:56.960 have another question 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:01.720 from Mark Matthew so hear 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:08.559 Mark thank you Madame Mayor and 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:12.440 counselors my questions also relate 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:13.759 to the proposed Cypress Lane 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.519 Retirement Village and the report tabled 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:18.080 as part of the agenda for tonight's 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.440 meeting recommending with the officer 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.320 officer report continues to recommend 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.480 approval of the amended plans my 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.639 question one is the site on Cypress Lane 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.600 for the opposed retirement villages 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.320 within a low density residential Zone 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:34.639 and is also 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.799 designated minimal change within the 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.159 statement of planning policy for the Dal 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.279 the developer is proposing a development 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.080 that is a massive seven times more dense 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.679 than the smallest 2,000 met lot size 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.440 normally allowed in that zone the 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.080 proposed Retirement Village at Cypress 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.480 Lane is almost three times more dense 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.320 than the Kithbrooke Park retirement 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.200 village my question how can Surf Coast 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.720 suggest that a residential density 700% 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.720 higher than the normal LDRZ lot size can 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:10.279 be supported and considered a minimal 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.120 change thanks Mark I'll put that 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.480 question through to our general manager 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.440 Chris Pare thanks for you mayor and 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.919 thanks for the question mark and 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.519 apologies if I there's a little bit of 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.120 repetition from my previous response 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:25.879 I understand why why you would asked 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.600 the question in in very short term 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.360 the this isn't a matter that's being 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.000 Revisited or that particular point that 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.919 you raised and so I do refer back to the 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.399 the assessment that was undertaken in 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.480 the August report that hasn't been 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.440 Revisited at this point and but but 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.559 just to touch on on the points made at 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.759 that time a range of matters were 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.080 considered when assessing the impacts of 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.279 density of development including the 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.320 site coverage of buildings comparisons 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.399 with other retirement villages in the 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.320 same Zone and how the distinctive areas 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.159 and Landscapes policy envisages 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:04.759 development should occur in minimal 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.759 change areas and you might might recall 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.039 the assessment determined that on 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.559 balance the application was appropriate 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.039 having regard to these and other matters 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.639 and so really ultimately tonight's 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.360 review of the amended plans we'll 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:19.519 consider the difference in density 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:21.240 compared to the original version rather 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:26.279 than revisiting those those original 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.519 points I'm guessing then my second 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.200 question is redundant if we're only 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.960 talking about the amended plans I did 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:35.200 spend the time reading through the 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:38.360 entire report which I presed was 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:42.200 what was so I actually don't think 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:43.519 I'll bother with the second question 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.440 thank you thanks Mark thanks for your 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.960 first question we also Ron low I 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:54.440 would you like to raise your question no 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.000 I'll read Ron's question it's with 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.120 regards to Cypress Lan I see that 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.639 Council officers used housing 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:02.440 affordability in their assessment of the 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:04.200 amended plans for the proposed 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:06.720 Retirement Village my question is do 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.360 they take into account people who buy in 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.639 and never own the land beneath their 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:13.799 homes and pay a premi exit fee on sale 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.279 of the property up to 30% this would be 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.000 a substantial s of money if average 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.480 price is $1 million plus dollar how is 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.159 this affordable if you decided that 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.720 you're not happy living in this style of 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.000 accommodation and want to move on or 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:27.799 need to move to aged care so please 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.679 expain affordability of this proposal 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:32.279 once again Ron I'll pass your question 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.360 to our general manager Chris Pike 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:36.039 yeah thanks for your question for you 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.960 mayor Ron yeah look again Sor 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:40.080 there's going to be a level of 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:45.320 repetition here in that the the 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:46.879 questions of affordability were really 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:48.399 something considered and informing the 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.759 council decision made in August last 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.320 year but just for the sake of 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.720 brevity the the rationale considered 00:13:57.799 --> 00:13:59.840 at that time was that the proposal was 00:13:59.919 --> 00:14:01.320 thought to contribute to the quantity 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.559 and the diversity of housing stock in 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.440 toi and this improves housing choices 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.360 for people in this area and that 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.279 obviously has implications for those who 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.480 may choose to live in this particular 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.039 development but also considers the 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:17.600 fact that those people may vacate 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:19.320 properties that they might be in now 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.840 making those available for others who 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.720 may choose to move into the 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.759 area so thanks for your question Ron 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.799 thank you that we now move into the 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.559 reports that ends our public Question 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.240 Time excuse me Madam M can I move a 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.360 procedural motion please to change 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.480 the agenda so that actually Cyprus line 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.000 comes first for thank you do we have a 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:42.440 second for that procedural motion 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:44.399 councelor Sean Felder we'll now put the 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.080 motion to the vote so it's all those in 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:47.720 favor to move Cypress Lane to the first 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:50.320 item on the agenda all those in favor 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.519 and the motion is carried unanimously so 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:54.559 we'll hear the Cyprus Lane item first we 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:56.080 can see that a nber of people are here 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:57.799 for that so we'll we'll move that one 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.200 first so we now now move on 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:02.720 to which will be our first item vcat 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.159 appeal planning permit 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.000 2103 amended plans Retirement Village 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.519 Cypress Lane T the purpose of this 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.519 report is for Council to take a position 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:14.080 on the amended plans for the planning 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.000 permit application 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.639 2103 put forward by the developer as 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:20.320 part of the Victorian civil and 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.919 administrative Tri Victorian civil and 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.320 administrative tribunal appeal otherwise 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.919 known as vat much less of a tongue tie 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.600 at the AUST council meeting in 2023 a 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.399 permit was gr was approved for the 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.039 retirement village and it is now the 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.720 subject of an appeal to vat for a bit of 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:39.919 context the changes to the plans were 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.080 required because of council's decision 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:43.559 at a subsequent council meeting to 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:45.440 retain public ownership of Cypress Lane 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.840 and Reserve nber three tonight council 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:49.399 is taking a position on the amended 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.559 plans for its participation in the vcat 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.960 hearing do we have a move of a motion 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.440 councelor Allan is that as as per the 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.559 recommendation and do I have a seconder 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:01.919 councelor 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.960 bodsworth councelor Allan would you like 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:05.799 to speak to the motion thank you 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.559 mayor a key consideration in supporting 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.960 this motion is to ensure that the 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.039 council is present at Future vcat 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.919 hearings if vcat allows the amended 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.720 plans to be considered approving this 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.320 motion enables us to discuss their 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.320 suitability and also that of the 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:25.720 recommended 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.080 conditions it provides the council a 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:29.639 point of reference 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:31.759 to address the amended plans to 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.120 incorporate Cypress Lane as a road and 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.000 part of Reserve 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.639 3 Council as in moving this 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.960 recommendation I am in support of the 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.279 proposed changes to application 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.600 21333 that was granted at the council 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.600 meeting held on the 22nd of August 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.360 2023 the amended proposal seeks to make 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:54.960 some changes to the nber of living 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.240 units to the height of some buildings 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:59.799 setbacks Landscaping parking and 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:01.519 drainage 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.680 Arrangements these modifications result 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:06.559 from the subsequent decision of the 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:08.839 council not to approve the 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.279 discontinuance of Cypress Lane and the 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.039 sale of part of Reserve 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:16.759 3 the amended plans propose the 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.880 retention of Cypress Lane as a public 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.480 road and Reserve 3 as a 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.880 reserve the use of the land for a 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:27.559 retirement village remains unchanged 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.839 from the original proposed 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:32.640 at the August meeting last year I spoke 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.359 in support of The Proposal My Views have 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.519 not changed and also in respect to the 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.440 amended plan and I repeat them 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.079 now the state of government sorry the 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.240 state government has intervened in the T 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.160 residential land market through the dull 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.400 process by setting a Township boundary 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.640 it then becomes very difficult given 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.240 that we live in a population growth area 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.920 to also control density 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.519 I make the observation that retirement 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.039 villages typically have a denser 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.359 footprint than other residential 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:09.680 developments the land detailed in the 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.680 report came onto the market for private 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.240 sale and was purchased by the developer 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.920 the land has no registered 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.839 restrictions the developer first 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.039 submitted a plan per a planning permit 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.119 application for a retirement village to 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.400 the council in 2021 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:31.480 the site is ideally located in close 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.359 proximity that is walking distance to 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.680 services and Facilities including bus 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.599 services a supermar market Medical 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.359 Center and recreational reserves The 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.480 Proposal is in my view consistent with 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:44.480 current development along the western 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.640 side of the surf Coast 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.240 Highway at the time of the debate all 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:53.039 councilors in favor of the development 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:55.160 stressed that the proposal increased the 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.200 options for shy residents to downsize 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.720 and car and age in place it increased 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:06.160 the supply and mix of housing 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.279 options as a result of community 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.640 concerns expressed at the time the 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:12.319 planning department worked with the 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.079 developer to achieve many excellent 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.920 changes and to set 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.799 conditions I also said at that meeting 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.039 councilors we must be very careful not 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:28.839 to place these conditions in jeopardy 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.200 subsequent events have done just 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.279 that the amended plan sees changes to 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.119 the nber of living units and their 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.039 configuration into two separate 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.799 buildings three and two stories linked a 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.599 ground level via walkway comprising 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:46.279 independent living apartments 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:48.480 Administration basement car parking and 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.119 storage and communal 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.039 facilities the three story building will 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.599 have a maxim height of 11.6 m above 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.519 the natural ground l level which is an 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:05.759 increase from the 11 meters originally 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.599 proposed the amendment proposed has been 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.000 assessed against the surf Coast planning 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.319 scheme and in accordance with the 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:16.599 planning and environment act 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.119 1987 and after consultation with the 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.200 council's internal referrals appropriate 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:23.759 conditions have been 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.000 recommended I continue to support the 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.039 proposal in its amended form thank you 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:31.799 thank you councelor bodsworth would 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:33.160 you like to speak I'll reserve my right 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:35.480 to speak thanks May okay would any other 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.920 councilors like to speak councelor 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.200 ston thanks mayor hopefully it's 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.839 clear by now that tonight's decision is 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.440 not about repr Prosecuting the merits of 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:52.079 whether or not the Cypress Lane 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:54.759 Retirement Village should proceed 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:56.880 that decision was made by Council last 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:59.440 August and is now obviously the subject 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:02.720 of an appeal at vcap this motion is 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:04.759 asking Council to determine a position 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:06.960 on the amended plans for the Cypress 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:08.039 Lane 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:10.160 development so essentially we have a 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:11.880 situation where the developer has had 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.279 plans approved that included the Cypress 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.440 Lane Road and the reserve subsequent to 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.279 approving those plans Council then 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:21.279 rejected the sale of the Cypress lane 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.559 roadway and Reserve which meant that the 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.920 developer needed to amend the plans so 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:27.799 that the Roden Reserve could be retained 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.480 as part of the Retirement 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.920 Village with the vcat hearing starting 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:33.799 at the end of this month Council must 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:35.920 now decide whether or not to support the 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.240 amended plans this is not a decision to 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:41.960 reject or approve the plans it is simply 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.359 determining whether or not we recommend 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:46.279 that the amended plans replace the 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:48.559 existing plans at the vcat hearing where 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.440 the ultimate decision will be made in 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.359 considering this item we can only look 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.200 at the proposed changes to the plans 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.680 which now include the road based on 00:21:57.759 --> 00:21:59.880 council's decision not to sell Cypress 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:02.039 Lan and the reserve to the developer 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:03.720 they obviously needed to amend the plans 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:05.920 to incorporate these things in the 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.640 revised development therefore for me it 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.640 would not make sense to reject the 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.839 revised plans Council has essentially 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:14.480 created the need for the plans to be 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:16.759 amended and from my perspective the 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:19.480 amended plans do not significantly alter 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.440 the plan that has already been approved 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.559 by Council I would expect that vcat will 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.079 want to consider the most relevant plans 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:28.839 rather than the original plans that did 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:31.559 not include the road furthermore if 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.480 Council fails to endorse the amended 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.119 plans before us and vcat decides to 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.680 allow these amended plans to be 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:39.839 considered at the upcoming hearing 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:41.599 council's participation in the hearing 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.400 will be limited if that occurs Council 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.960 may be unable to contribute to the 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:47.640 discussion on the suitability of the 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:50.319 amended plans including the proposed 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.319 conditions that our planners have put 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.480 forward officers have assessed the 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:55.960 Amendments against the surf Coast 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:57.960 planning scheme and on balance advised 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.119 that the ated proposal continues to 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:02.279 satisfy all requirements and objectives 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.839 of the scheme which includes balancing 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.799 development social and environmental 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:09.960 considerations for me social 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:12.240 considerations remain a key driver of 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.000 the need for this development the 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.319 national housing crisis continues and 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.200 people in our community are suffering 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.440 because of it the Retirement Village 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.160 will contribute to housing diversity in 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.480 T and provide greater housing choice to 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:26.319 Residents and while the Retirement 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:28.119 Village itself may not be considered a 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.599 for aable for some the creation of more 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:32.759 housing diversity does contribute to 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:34.680 more affordable housing options across 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.079 the municipality but again tonight is 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.079 not about arguing the merits of the 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:41.000 overall development it's about whether 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:42.839 or not we want the old plans or the 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.599 revised plans to be considered at vcat 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.440 and for this reason this motion has my 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.640 support thank you thank you any other 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.279 councilors wish to speak to the motion 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.759 councelor Parker thanks I can see the 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.440 concern within the community we've 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.759 been following this issue for many years 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:04.680 now some of the issues raised along the 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.039 lines of inappropriateness or the gr 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:13.359 entity they they're a tradeoff so 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.359 what we're doing here is working out 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.880 which plans go 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.359 forward but the original concerns with 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:24.559 the load en the residential Zone that 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:26.160 we're looking at 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.440 here has loopholes that the state 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:30.599 government have in place 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.599 so where there's some anger directed to 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:34.680 this 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:37.599 body I would hope that you utilize the 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.680 processes that are available for the 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.440 state government so that you can address 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:45.480 those issues directly 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.440 there some of the conditions that we've 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.559 got on including the increasing of 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.400 the the width of Cypress Lane U at the 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.160 cost of the permit holder things that I 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.440 don't particularly like 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.880 but the reality is is that we need to 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.880 make a decision tonight as to what goes 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:08.519 forward my decision doesn't come with 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:10.880 any disrespect to the original land 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:14.160 owners who bought under the assption 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.440 that there was going to be similar 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.359 houses next 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:21.480 door because the reality is is that 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:24.160 things change and only property 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.519 ownership can determine ultimately what 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:28.960 happens on that property similar issue 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.680 in stron where people bought on the 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:33.359 understanding that they'd have 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:35.440 residential houses as their neighbors 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.039 and then the state government came in 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.759 and dped a hospital on top of 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.599 them I'm going to support the motion for 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:45.720 the fact 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:50.519 that it's a plan that results in the 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.400 continuing access to the public for 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.000 Cyprus Lane which I think is a key 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.039 element to the community 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.319 but I would ask that if you have any 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.720 other issues that can be directed to a 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:09.200 more appropriate body you both attack 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.400 this body as you see fit and attack that 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:13.599 body where you see fit so I'll be a 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.079 supporting 00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:18.920 Mo thank you any other counselors wish 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.480 to speak councelor Gad I'd just like 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.680 to foreshadow an alternate motion if 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.200 this motion 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.799 fails 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.960 I won't vote for this 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.279 recommendation I know it probably 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.559 won't achieve what the community is 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.480 hoping to achieve tonight that has 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.680 been set in place and the the 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.160 decision at the August 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.119 meeting I was on personal leave at 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.680 that meeting so apologies to those 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.960 community members who are disappointed 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:57.799 so that that permit has been granted 00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:58.680 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:00.839 with then in the October special meeting 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.680 we voted not to sell Cypress Lane and 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.839 now the amended plans are largely 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.079 around refitting it so Cyprus Lane 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.960 remains in place and I I do think the 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.279 developer has been fairly reasonable in 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.960 that but I I 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:27.839 won't vote with this for this motion 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.319 I'm not sure it It's Tricky it's going 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.440 to vcat anyway and the if we don't 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:35.359 have a 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.599 position if we just just if we vote 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.119 against it that won't achieve much at 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.799 vcat so I think I'll my alternate 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.640 motion will be around reverting back to 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:51.039 increasing the Green Space and impr 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:52.519 increasing the setbacks as per the 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.720 previous plan yeah I think that's all 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.640 thanks thank you any other councelors 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.720 councelor BSW thanks mayor so I too 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.039 will be voting in favor of the motion 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:06.960 I'm not going to revisit the 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.519 argents that I used on 22nd of August 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.720 as the other councilors have said 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:13.680 I've noted the changes that are in the 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.880 plans the amended plans and I 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.680 particularly like to note why in my in 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.119 my belief that the revised plans are 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.359 consistent with the intent of the 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.079 previous plans and they show an obvious 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.720 desire to respect previous 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.400 undertakings with regard to environment 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.400 landscape walkability and cyclability 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.400 social cohesion livability and 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.440 relative affordability noting that as 00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.640 has been point out affordability is a 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.440 relative term and and it's obviously 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.240 these properties won't be affordable to 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.839 a portion of the community and they will 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.599 be affordable to some others but I 00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.960 support these these amended plans going 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.599 off to vcat I also note the retention of 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.039 trees that wasn't in the previous 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.640 version of the the plans thank 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.720 you councilor Wellington would you like 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:13.119 to 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.680 speak for the environment I mean people 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.400 will say I'm in a car but it is the 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.839 private space where I can focus but 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.400 apologies if you he the external 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.559 movement causes destruction I think 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.200 that I'm a bit surprised to hear that we 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:31.799 must support these plans if we're going 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.400 to have any role in the debate at 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.039 bcat I haven't looked at the the 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:38.519 specific argents around that but it 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:40.279 seems to be extraordinary to be put in 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:41.759 the position of saying we'll support 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.359 this or you get no say at all I don't 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.680 accept that I think vcat is a it's 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:48.720 hearing the it's hearing this matter 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.319 from scretch which is its role and it's 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.240 would be most unlikely I think that V 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.519 would deny Council any role in 00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.359 expressing it views about whether or not 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.799 it supports these these plans so 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.680 that's not my experience of vcat at all 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.079 vcat usually as a responsible Authority 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.799 we could acire to be a part of the if 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.640 we're not supporting the plans and I 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.319 would be astonished if there wasn't some 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.319 mechanism for this Council to be heard 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.000 so that's the first thing the second 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:17.640 thing is we're not just being asked to 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.640 vote on the changes that have been made 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.480 since the previous we're being asked to 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.880 vote on that we agreed that they've 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.119 been substituted and we support them all 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.920 well I don't I don't support plans I 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.480 support Regal plans and I'm not need to 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.799 to vote for something that I don't 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.319 believe in I I don't support these plans 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.359 I think one of the key one of the 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.279 significant things I'm hearing is oh 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:43.880 this will be good for housing supplying 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.799 T because some people will downsize 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:48.319 and mooving into a retirement village 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.440 and that will pre up their houses I've 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.839 never seen any analysis of how many 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.200 people who live at kidb for example were 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.240 originally living in t i I think this 00:30:58.319 --> 00:30:59.799 will be a very attractive development 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:00.720 there'll be a lot of people from 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.599 Melbourne who would love to retire to a 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.200 beautiful site to and I'll be catched up 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.240 with the Melbourne property market and 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.079 I've got no idea how many people from 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:11.960 our local 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.440 community into these apartments and 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.200 units and I don't think any of us really 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.680 do have an idea of that and I think it's 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.880 very simplistic to say more people from 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.920 T will buy these units and P they free 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.319 out on the word because we don't have 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.319 any information about the intent of the 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.759 people from ja I think the other issue 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.279 for me is the question of what I did 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:35.799 say this last time but I'm not ashamed 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.240 to repeat it even though the councils 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.319 are suggesting we're not supposed to be 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.680 repeating the decision making about the 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.920 plans that we went through last time but 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.359 I'll ask for extension of time you my 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.440 time I'm happy to move yes we another 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.279 two minutes is fine thanks very much 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:55.880 I think the other issue is that what 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.400 do minimal change mean under the Dell 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.880 and the stat of plan policy and that's a 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:03.400 really interesting question for me and 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.240 it might mean two things it could mean 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.200 under the previous under the 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.400 existing zoning this has Z has flood 00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.480 into the residential and of course a 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.599 high density Retirement Village is 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.519 permitted within low density residential 00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.799 and it might simply mean well what 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.200 applied before can apply now and that's 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.920 minimal change but the other 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.720 interpretation of minimal change could 00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:29.279 be that the intent of this zone is 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:30.440 actually 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.559 relize very dispersed development and 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.839 minimal change means that the intent of 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.640 the Zone and the outcome of of 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.680 development in the zone does not deviate 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.119 from that low rise disp development now 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.079 I'm not an expert on planning LA and I 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.680 don't know but I would think that that 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.680 question will be debated at vcat and 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.200 should be devoted at V and if that is 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.240 the interpretation of V which in my view 00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.920 ought to be what the planning skin 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.240 provides for the latter interpretation 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.200 that this zone is intended to be low 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.759 rise and disperse developments not 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.640 stress story apartment buildings it's 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.000 extraordinary to me that we could be 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.640 thinking that Str story apartment 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.519 buildings in a a Zone which is 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.559 transitioning from normal General resid 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.440 through to 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.079 rural would incorporate restory 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.400 apartment buildings that doesn't make 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.680 sense to me so be really interested to 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.599 hear what vcat's interpretation no doubt 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.720 there'll be a lot of legal argent 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.039 about that at vcat but I'll be very 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:37.160 interested to hear what their 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.039 interpretation is my view is this is 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.920 overly dense por hisone not just 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.720 in terms of sight coverage but in terms 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.920 of vertical density as well the it's 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.400 extraordinarily open so I don't I didn't 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.640 support the first plan I don't support 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.279 the changes to the second to the plan 00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.200 and I don't support the underlying plan 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.160 and I'm not going to be pushed into 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:03.119 voting for a plan that I don't support 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.200 just because somebody says well we won't 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.280 get a say vcap if if we do that I don't 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.360 agree with that I am sure that vcap just 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.159 on basic Common Sense vcap would say we 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:15.519 need to hear from the responsible 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.599 Authority let's get their genuine view 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.039 about his plan so I will be voting 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.679 against this motion and I will support I 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.559 will be care to council gaz's 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.360 alternative motion and possibly 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.599 support that but I'll see what what form 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.800 it Tak if it gets any thanks Council 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.159 Wellington that's you've now exceeded 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.960 your extra two minutes thank you thank 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.000 you mayor I'm sort of a bit 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.559 pessimistic in saying on this but I 00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.400 won't be supporting the 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.719 recommendation as is I'm interested 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.840 to see councilor gard's 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.639 recommendation and if that doesn't get 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.039 up I'll be moving a res recommendation 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.119 not to approve it part of the local 00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:58.920 government act states that Regional 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.800 State and National policies are to be 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.519 taken into account in strategic planning 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.840 and decision making we've just gone 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.639 through a process where we have seen the 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.679 Dell rigorously defended in court 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.880 rigorously that's cost many people 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.119 thousands and thousands of dollars the 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.920 surco statement of planning States 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.159 minimal change how more strategic can 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.119 you know can you go against that 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.239 docent in the Dell that area is 00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:28.639 colored in as minimal change and also it 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.960 has a bi biodiversity coloring as well 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.639 it should be looked at one thing I'm 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.559 keen on and I was pleased that the 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.719 legacy of this Council wasn't that we 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.920 sold public land I think that we 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.639 dodged a bullet on that because we would 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.679 sit a very dangerous precedent for it 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.320 and I'm really glad that failed so it 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.679 all goes back to that August meeting and 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.079 which is a bit sad because it wasn't 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.559 a full Council decision it was full for 00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.480 for and a casting vote of the May that's 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.280 part of History and I find that a 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.760 real shame and I I'm pessimistic because 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.679 I don't think vcat would even look that 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.880 that wasn't a full Council position but 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.559 it is what it is and that's what we've 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.079 got to move forward to I think the 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.320 density 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.639 is just over the top people said it's 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.280 comparable to this and it's comparable 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.920 to that but not comparable to this area 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.760 it just it just not I'm concerned 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:28.440 about 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.039 many things in that area and it's been 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.239 discussed at other meetings but I think 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.400 this council is making a grave mistake 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.599 doing this we're looking at 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.920 another one at bar Drive there's another 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.480 three I don't think the the questions to 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.559 the answers about census and data have 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.000 been answered so I'll be voting against 00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.400 this and after if that if this doesn't 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.400 get up Council gazzard has the first 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.239 alternative but then I'll be moving an 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.280 alternative motion to that to refuse 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:58.239 this 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.719 this docent thank 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.559 you Shan Felder thank you mayor I 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.639 concur with what has been said 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.760 tonight from councelor gazzard and 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.280 councelor Hodge and councel 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.480 Wellington and I at this point in time 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.480 appeal to my colleagues to to keep an 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.679 open mind and reconsider how they might 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.119 feel about this item I am a long-term 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.480 res pres of the surf Coast Shire having 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:33.199 lived locally for over 40 years and my 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.400 family's lived continuously for 176 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.960 years and the CFA members joke with me 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.840 and say we're just settling in I am very 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.440 concerned about how First Nations people 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.599 feel about Deep Creek I believe T has 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.719 environmental assets worthy of 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.119 protection and I have campaigned to 00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:00.639 save Spring Creek and I do feel that the 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.480 biodiversity concerns are very 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.920 important and I'm concerned about 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.519 runoff and development along the 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.519 existing Creeks that that we have in 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:17.320 T and I have me I have met members 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.360 who live in the local area and I really 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.920 like your placards and it's fantastic 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.840 all the work you've done and there are 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:25.800 business people that live locally and 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.039 they say that they're not against any 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.320 development they just feel that this 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.840 area is highly inappropriate as it is 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.039 deemed a low density area and many of 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.079 you here tonight you bought 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.639 properties and Built Homes in a low 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.239 density area believing that the area 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:46.760 that we're talking about was also going 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.519 to be low density and I I part of me 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.159 feels as though you might have been 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.639 misled now with this 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:55.880 development so I think that's very 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.119 important and I think democracy is about 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.599 listening to people and I won't be 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.159 supporting this this item 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.679 tonight 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.320 and once again I just appeal to 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.400 my colleagues to 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.320 to just have an open mind in relation 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:23.239 to this matter in relation to the CFT 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.360 my grandmother was actually a Thompson 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.880 and Thompson's Creek runs into the CFT 00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:28.760 and in 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.719 hindsight there have been decisions made 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.159 that perhaps should not have been made 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:35.760 in the past in relation to the to 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.840 development in t so I think it's 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.840 important to bear that in mind thank you 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.239 thank you councelor Ellen do you have 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.159 any closing remarks P can I just ask a 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.679 question before we close sorry yes well 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.000 coun K has 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:55.800 pled 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.920 a motion but we don't know what it is 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.519 and I just wondered should we know what 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.320 that is before Council has vote on this 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.039 motion it's not standard process but 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.639 I'm happy if councel Gard would like to 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.000 read it out she 00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.639 can oh it's an alternate motion not an 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.480 amendment no it's an altern yes we 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.679 acknowledge it's it's so but when you 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.159 foreshadow it I think in this instance 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.480 it's fine if you'd like to read or 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.800 governance you have it on the 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.280 screen so just 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.159 be yes sorry that's that's what I meant 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.360 when I said if you can put it on the 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:37.159 screen y so just so there's no confusion 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.360 we're still we have a motion before us 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.440 which councelor Allen has moved and 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.320 councelor bodsworth has seconded 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.079 councelor Gard has foreshadowed that if 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:47.519 the motion that's currently being 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:49.400 discussed it lapses it doesn't get 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.199 passed then she would move this motion 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.760 so this is not something that we're 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:56.239 considering yet it's foreshadowing if 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.199 the other one fails 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.599 but counselor Wellington would like to 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.559 understand what that is so we'll just 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.480 give people a moment to have a look at 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.440 that and then counselor Alan can have 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:11.000 his closing remarks 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:46.719 I think that is that enough time for you 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.239 and other counselors to read that yes 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:50.719 thanks counselor Alan have you got 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.559 closing remarks thanks M picking 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.760 up on on councilor Wellington's Point 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.360 it's my understanding that I mean the 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.159 council will be at the vcat 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.480 meeting it's it's just that if we 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.000 support this motion it provides the 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.559 council a point of reference to address 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:10.679 the amended 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.719 plans and the recommended conditions 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.760 that we have suggested and that's the 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.239 importance of supporting the motion 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.079 thank you thank you we now put the 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.320 motion to the vote all those in 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.519 favor all those opposed 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.320 and the motion is carried 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.599 54 we now move on to the next item on 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.280 our agenda application for approval of 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.280 an amended development plan for the briy 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:43.119 West Bri estate West T the purpose of 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.039 this report is to seek council's 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.760 approval of an amended development plan 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:48.639 for the briy estate West pursuant to 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.639 schedule 10 of the development plan 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:55.920 overlay do we have a mover of a motion 00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.239 oh I'm happy to move it councelor Hodge 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.079 is that as for the recommendations thank 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.960 you man thank you and seconded by 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:05.000 councelor 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.039 Barker Council hod would you like to 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.440 speak yes I will Ju Just very quickly on 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.039 this one this is a development plan so 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:12.639 there's a lot more to come to it before 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.800 we actually see what's going in this 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.679 site but I I would like to make a 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.440 comment to all the submitters that have 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.039 put in on this site already which is 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.920 good to see and we talk about 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.079 the brity drive the the overlooking 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.800 the traffic problems the drainage 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.280 erosion and Wildlife there so this is 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:35.079 going to be taken into account hopefully 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:36.920 when it goes back to the developer to 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.880 actually put some plans in place and 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.400 then we'll have the right to look at 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:42.519 those and then decide like we're going 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.079 through now but I I I'll move it to 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:47.719 to get to the next stage but then we'll 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.199 be looking at it a lot closer thank you 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:51.760 thank you councelor 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.960 Baka would any other councilors like to 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.400 speak councelor alen thanks m the 00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.239 initial amended development plan was 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:00.800 advertised and placed on public 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.079 exhibition in the latter part of 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.360 2022 and submissions were heard at a 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:06.880 special council meeting on the 7th of 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.880 March 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.360 2023 the key features of the plan are 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.119 standard density higher density and 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.599 multi-density residential units a 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.000 retirement village importantly including 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.400 residential aged care as well as 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.280 independent and assisted living 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.239 apartments Road network centrally 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.519 located Park open space 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.079 along the southern Eastern and partly 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:31.760 Northern perimeter of the development 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.480 plan storm water drainage infrastructure 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.440 and treatment facilities and the 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.599 retention and protection of native 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.880 vegetation the remainder of the land in 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.559 the development plan will continue to 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.599 provide for conventional residential 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.800 subdivision with approximately 313 Lots 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:50.519 in standard density 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.119 areas referring back to the provision of 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.480 residential Age Care Plus independent 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:57.480 and assistant living apartments 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.519 I refer you to page 99 of the report 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.719 indicating that the nber of people 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.800 aged over 65 in the surf Coast Shire 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.320 will increase from 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.679 19.6% as of 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.199 2022 to 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.840 25.2% in 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.400 2041 the report indicates that there 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.239 will be a shortfall in independent 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.800 living units and aged care beds in the 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.920 surf Coast in coming years which 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.199 highlights a strong market and Community 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.000 need for the proposed development the 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.079 most upto-date data from the Australian 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.119 Bureau of Statistics also illustrates 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.079 that more facilities and housing 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.480 diversity to cater to the Aged will be 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.960 needed in to to meet current 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.559 demand Somerset Villages propriety 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.840 limited is a company that is an 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.760 experienced Retirement Village operator 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.920 the revised amended plan or the amended 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:56.079 plan seeks to include an 8.51 hectare 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.400 Retirement Village in the center of the 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.599 site replacing some of the residential 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.280 subdivision approved in 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:07.159 2017 they understand the commercial risk 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.000 and will have completed their due 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.920 diligence concerning future needs and 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.360 demand The Landing question was resed in 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.519 2012 from that of a lowdensity 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:20.239 residential Zone to General residential 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.320 Zone in line with the Sha's strategic 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.960 Direction at the time which given our 00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.000 current population growth and the 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.519 framework of the state government's 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.719 housing statement is even more pertinent 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.159 today densification is a reality and if 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.199 we are to minimize further encroachment 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:43.199 into our farming land essential thank 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.119 you thank you councilor alen any other 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:47.639 councilors wish to speak Council 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.239 Stapleton thanks mayor so Council has 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.880 been asked to approve the amended bridey 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.800 estate West development plan which would 00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:58.880 supersede the current approved plan from 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.039 2017 so given that the 2017 plans have 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:03.679 already been approved it's important to 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.840 note the council's consideration of this 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.559 item must be limited to the changes that 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:10.119 have been proposed to the existing 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.880 approved plans and to determine whether 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.000 we agree that the amended development 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.440 plan does not result in any additional 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.159 impact on the character of the area than 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.000 from the current approved plan the key 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.440 change is obviously the inclusion of a 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:27.960 retirement village and AED Care Facility 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:29.599 to replace some of the residential 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.480 subdivision previously 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:34.079 approved approving these amended plans 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:35.840 will allow the residential subdivision 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:37.880 to proceed providing much needed 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:39.559 opportunities for housing on the surf 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.119 coast and we'll see a well integrated 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.360 Retirement Village included for toi 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.880 where such facilities are supported as 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:48.920 part of the general residential 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.800 Zone it's important to provide our aging 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.079 Community with residential accommodation 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.400 options that support social connections 00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.079 and allow them or all of us really as 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.079 we're all aging to age well in our own 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.719 community that means as we get older 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.079 there is a better chance that we can 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.400 stay connected living amongst friends 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.239 and family and close to shops and 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.920 services where we have always lived I 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.679 know that older people want to be close 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.480 to those things that are familiar to 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:18.880 them if this development plan is 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.760 approved a planning permit would still 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:22.840 be required to build the retirement 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.480 village and the Aged Care Facility when 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.039 the development plan was initially 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.000 amended and publicly exhibited in 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.760 November November 2022 there was 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:34.360 feedback from nearby residents and the 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:35.960 broader Community which has since been 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:38.039 considered by the developer resulting in 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.000 the revised amended plans for our 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.920 consideration tonight among the changes 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.000 that have been made to these revised 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.000 plans there is the replacement of the 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:48.800 proposed underground drainage in the 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.840 Eastern catchment with a 2,000 s met 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.719 Reserve now Incorporated with a rain 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.239 garden and bio retention basin 00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.159 although such drainage reserves cannot 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.920 be credited as formal public open space 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.920 they do provide passive open space 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.599 values with areas for relaxation and 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.519 enjoyment in the reserve seating areas 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.079 and access for pedestrians which I 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.840 believe will be welcomed by the 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.440 surrounding Community overall I think 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.119 these amended plans demonstrate a 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:17.960 positive use of land that has already 00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.119 been approved for development and given 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:21.840 it complies with the existing planning 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:23.760 policies and is in accordance with the 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:25.840 surf Coast planning scheme I will be 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.400 supporting this item thank 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.679 you thank you would any other councilors 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.880 like to speak councelor 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.039 Wellington thanks very much I will 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.960 be supporting this as well and I 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.840 certainly take the point with one has 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.480 already been made it differs from cus 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.119 Ling that that in that there's no firm 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:49.559 there a decision of this Council but 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.519 there's not a binding decision to 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.719 proceed with s because it's subject to 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:56.800 is in different 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.519 I think the the changes generally 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.960 are acceptable and I think that they do 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.039 compare with they make the 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:06.880 requirements that are Incorporated in 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:11.079 the plan for I I think again this 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.840 people from talk here going to be the 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.960 occupant of these Villages or the 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.599 predominant occupant even of these 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.400 Villages I think needs to be challenged 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.559 and I believe this Council needs to 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.480 actually do some work on a really robust 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.840 piece of work on what is the likely 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.159 future market for retirement villages in 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.400 toy and what is the likely occupancy 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.039 of people who want to buy in those 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:35.960 Villages I would suggest that there is 00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.719 an unlimited almost an unlimited demand 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.760 for retirement properties in to I 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:43.880 think who wouldn't want to retire to 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.239 to and you know the notion that this 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.760 will free up a lot of local properties I 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.039 think needs to be challenged the owners 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:53.559 of these Villages are not going to be 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:55.039 discriminating against people on the 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.880 bases that they come from outside sh 00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.400 and a lot of people cat up in the 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.239 property Market will be wanting to do 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:04.000 this so we could potentially I'm sure we 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:05.960 will have developers wanting to put 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:07.840 retirement villages in every corner of 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.320 the shy which will simply attract more 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.079 people from outside the shy into the shy 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:14.719 and create more Demand on our 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.760 infrastructure and services and the 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.480 community's capacity to withstand that 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.400 sort of growth so I don't think the data 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.320 have been presented in any meaningful 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.000 way to tell what the people demand 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.960 what the future demand will be or 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.559 what the future need will be if we're 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:33.920 talking about people aging the place 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.599 we're talking about need and I I I agree 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:38.920 with that but I mean Council get as a 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.239 healthare professional there's a big 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.679 difference between demand and need if 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.039 you look at people using antibiotics 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.280 most people many people demand 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.360 antibiotics they want antibiotics I 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:51.000 think they're good for them but the 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:52.880 actual need for anti bities is quite 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.559 different I would say the same with 00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.840 retirement villes people want will want 00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:58.119 to go to live because they're going to 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.119 be beautiful attractive places to 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.400 leave in your retirement but whether or 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.039 not they're going to meet a need for one 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.920 of the people who live in that it's 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.800 entirely different question and it has 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.840 not been put so I think we need to be 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.119 very cautious about throwing them around 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.119 as I said I'll support this because 00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.880 you know I think it in the context in 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:22.119 which you put forward it's quite 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.880 different from the S line one but the 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:26.480 only other point I would like to make is 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.880 I have very significant concerns about 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.000 our organization's record in planning 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:35.400 for stormw war infrastructure in 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.079 compliance issues ensuring that 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:38.960 developers comply with development 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.920 requirements and then in taking them 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.840 over and ensuring that things op 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.280 properly and those concerns remain 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.360 remain with me even though we're assured 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:48.920 they're all being addressed we haven't 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.679 yet seen evidence at the it and I'm 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.960 really concerned about these 00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.119 developments next to waterways that 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.039 potentially 00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:59.760 can cause you know really significant 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.199 environmental problem but on balance on 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.800 how to support this but would like to 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.559 shy to do that work that work and do it 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.400 robustly and rigorously maybe some 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:11.800 academic Partners about are we simply 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.719 attracting more older people into the 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.840 community or are we generally providing 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.239 for thank you thank you what any other 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:21.639 Council like to speak to the motion 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.119 councelor bodsworth thanks mayor I'll 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:26.039 also be supporting the recommendation or 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:28.599 support the motion as it is there's 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.559 probably just two issues that I'd like 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.960 to pick up thanks to the other 00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:36.800 counselors for speaking on this I I 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.039 thank the submitters for their 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:40.639 submissions on this issue and and just 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.880 want to thank the submitters that we get 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.840 generally because they always help us 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.239 refine our work and provide really 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:50.639 important Food For Thought for us as we 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.800 go through our decision making one 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.840 specific issue that I want to raise is 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.599 in relation to the proposed future 00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.639 shed path down the Deep Creek Corridor 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.440 which is referred to in the development 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:08.199 in the development plan so I think 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.000 one of the things that we need to look 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:11.920 at as we move forward is the size of our 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.800 shared paths that one is is our standard 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.719 width of 2.5 M whereas I think for that 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:19.800 shared path because it's catchment 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.760 effectively includes the kith brook area 00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.239 Ocean Acres Frog Hollow right through 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.000 the brote area it's potentially a really 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.320 busy highly used shared path both for 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.280 sort of recreational and and pleasure 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:36.960 purposes but also as a commuter path 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.480 because it'll provide one of the very 00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:41.679 few Pathways that's not interrupted by a 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.440 whole lot of traffic lights and 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:45.159 intersections and therefore it'll 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.639 provide a really quick and easy and safe 00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.760 and enjoyable way for people to get 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.559 to and from the center of toi which is 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:56.000 only about 3ks away from this area so I 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.559 think we need to look at the capacity of 00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:00.800 of walking and cycling infrastructure 00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.280 looking forward you know at least a 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.320 generation ahead because those uses 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.000 with particularly 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.960 ebikes personal mobility scooters and 00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:13.440 things like that we're going to need 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.159 really roomy shared parts for everyone 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.679 to be sharing them safely 00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:22.480 and yeah the other part of it that 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.199 I'm unsure about at this stage but I'm 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.440 happy to go along with is that the 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.880 higher density proposed in the northern 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.679 Corner up near mesot Road I look 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.880 forward to seeing further detail on that 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.760 but overall happy to to support this 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.679 moving 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.960 on thank you any other councilors wish 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:44.119 to speak councelor Sean Felder yeah I'd 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.079 like to highlight the fact that just 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:49.119 because there were plans 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.119 already approved previously doesn't 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.719 mean they have to be carried out and I 00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.199 know there have been climatic changes 00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.599 with very heavy downpours and and I know 00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.400 that people be aware of horseshoe B 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.119 Road where there was damage to that 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.760 bridge there and we're seeing more 00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.400 events like that and I've actually 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.239 visited people at Ocean Acres and I 00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.079 believe the blocks there are 1 acre 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.679 blocks and part of Roads there have been 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:21.400 flooded and people have had their 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.599 driveways flooded and they 1 acre blocks 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.599 this area with Deep Creek 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.840 is has such a important role when it 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.440 comes to drainage in T and I know that 00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.039 our population's growing but I feel as 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.760 though areas like T and areas in the 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.519 Mornington Peninsula and and other parts 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.760 of the state such as Philip Island don't 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.760 need to absorb this this growth because 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.079 very fragile environments fragile 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:56.239 ecosystems we had a meeting in lawn 00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.039 and when I was driving home and I met 00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.800 some people from the local area that 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.039 we're talking about and I I said that 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.599 when I left I saw her in the kidna on 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.239 the road and I went to a celebration 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.559 about Spring Creek on Saturday and suo 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.159 shanesy said to me that she had also 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.800 seen the an A kidner and and people do 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.719 see wildlife and I just think the impact 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.440 on the wildlife is significant and on 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.800 Facebook you see kangaroo and many 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.880 other types of animals getting damaged 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.559 and being run over by higher traffic 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.559 voles and we heard 300 house blocks 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.880 this area is going to change 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.760 substantially and I I'm just very 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.119 concerned about the environment and I 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:47.960 just feel as though I won't be 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.679 supporting this item because this part 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.719 this Precinct Deep Creek Precinct is in 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:59.639 a way the lungs of of talki and who 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.480 comes first in our society do the 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.360 developers come first who possibly don't 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.559 live where they're developing they want 00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.239 to maximize their profits and where 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.800 where do you draw the line and 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:17.440 I just noticed that there was an 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:19.599 article in the age about whether T had 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.599 lost its soul and that was a recent 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.559 article in the Saturday newspaper and 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:27.840 and I I'm I though toi has changed and 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.199 and a part of our council plan is to 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.679 maintain a small town 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.800 field and I I feel that I would 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.719 prefer to have acre blocks there to be 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.760 honest would be more appropriate for an 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:46.199 environmental Viewpoint thank you 00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.239 thank you councelor Hodge oh sorry 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.840 councelor hod have any closing 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:55.519 remarks thanks M I I will support 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:59.320 this amended plan the there's 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.000 already a development plan in place from 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:02.760 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:06.639 2017 so Urban Development will go ahead 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.360 in briy 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.440 drive the submissions that we 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:14.440 reviewed like to thank all the 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.440 community members who submitted 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.239 noting their particular concerns around 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.239 storm water drainage water attenuation 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.199 transport and traffic management and 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:28.280 safety and Flora and FAA and 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.960 retention of vegetation I think a lot of 00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:34.519 the concerns have at least been 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.320 partially addressed and I'm satisfied 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.960 with the the storm water management 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.000 plan I think it's actually a lot is 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:47.119 improved on the previous plan so I 00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.360 think if we don't vote for this then we 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.000 need to have reasonable grounds to 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:55.199 reject it and if we do reject it 00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:56.519 we'll revert back to to the previous 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.639 development plan so I I will vote for 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:01.320 this 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.400 one thank you councel hods do you have 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.159 any closing 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.559 remarks just quickly on a personal 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.119 level I wish this was the only 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.840 Retirement Village in front of us or 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:14.559 on the books because it does fit the the 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.679 scenery of a retirement village to me a 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:18.920 lot better what I'd really like to see 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.079 is the Aged care I think that's 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.159 absolutely essential when you have a 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:24.920 retirement village you have aged care 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:26.559 you talk about bringing Community 01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.719 together you talk about diversity but if 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.920 you don't have aged care where do they 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:34.119 go They're again away from their 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.559 Community but what's in front of us 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.840 and what the development coming in I'll 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:40.360 be really interested in looking at and 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.960 we will look at it robustly storm 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.800 water 2 is a a really big Factor but 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.880 to me this was the much better spot 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.239 than Cypress line and I'll be supporting 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.599 this one tonight thank you thank you we 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:56.320 now put the motion to the vote all those 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.519 in 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.920 favor and oppose and the motion is 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.239 carried 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.360 81 that now brings our council meeting 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.079 to a close I declare the meeting closed 01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.639 at 7:02 tonight as we have no further 01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:13.480 business thank you very much for coming 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:18.199 in to be part of our meeting respectful